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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jun 18, 2014 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

Hey Dudley Dead
What about Donna? Although I generally think GDTRFB is too fast for the sweeter range of her voice. (It is thankfully not as challenging for her as N.F.A because to me if anyone has a beef with Donna it should be for N.F.A.) But most of what you picked for highlight involves Donna.
Which also begs the question what about Keith, The more shows I listen to the more aware I am that Keith by 78 was becoming a non-factor in many jams. But do those 73-77 G.D.T.R.F.B have anything to do with how nice Keith was in his time.
Also what do you think of Brent's effect on G.D.T.R.B.
I really came to love Brent but this is one song that I would say was not helped by Brent in any way shape or form.
In fact I might as well say (And this is probably subjective ) but I don't ever remember leaving a show 84-93 and being like that was a great G.D.T.R.F.B.
In fact the only versions of G.D.T.R.F.B that I was really into on tape from that 84-93 period where from 1985 when they were playing them pre-drums and that was completely different from the way the tune went in the 70's.
I will gladly check out your links because I loved the tune in the early years.(and yes tempo in the later years is an over riding factor because the 85 GDTRFB I considered a dance tune and not dare I say a good old fashioned revival number)
Besides the Mickey question don't discount Pigpen in 72. Just his vibe was enough to power this tune.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 18, 2014 5:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

I am a Keith man, and yes I think he was plus in this song . One of the factors in making 78 a less that first class year is the decline of Keith . I should note i like the pre Keith ones also, but just not as much . I like the build,in this song from wistful, smiling through sadness to combustible joy . Donna is okin this one, though those screams ant the end, if she is too high i the mix...
Don't want to bag on Brent, you can hear the song going into a more chunky direction in some of those late K&D versions . But when they brought it back in 80, It just is not the same for me, and some of that is Brent .
As for the Pig factor, there are plenty of great versions without him, but just maybe he is a contribution factor to the extra specialness of the E72 ones .

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jun 19, 2014 2:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GDTRFB 72 >81 . What changed ?

Hey Dudley Dead;
Keith is such a big part of why I like 72-74. (Hornsby gave me some flashback feels when he was briefly on the scene with the piano)
Yeah, I am working my way through the GDTRFB that you linked. I like Donna in the mellower harmonies but when the song peaks toward the end I get the NFA over the top feel and when her and Bobby do the scream fest I start to tune out.(Although I am sure it was fun live)
Good point about Pigpen because he stayed off stage when and where he chose in the show, and in 72 I hear less and less of him when he is not leading on vocals. (Sometimes I can pick him out on UJB doing harmonies.)